No More Devins w/ Natalie

Devin asked if bach nation was done yet, and to that I say...nope. Because I am back to have a more fluid and deeper convo with a friend of the pod and advocate- Natalie- together we get into what all this mess means for the franchise. Regarding the pattern it has enabled or even sought to create, the damage it does, and how we got here. CW: open discussion about DV and SA and the systems that they exist in Thank you Natalie!! You rock Follow us on insta @datecardpod Twitter @datecardpodcast Tiktok @datecardpodcast @jennawithasmile  Art: Olivia Zakes Green https://www.oliviazakesgreen.com/ Music: Jed Overly @jeddyboyjames  https://www.flowcode.com/page/jeddyjames Proud podcast of So Below Media