20: Creating safe spaces, and the troubling nature of attribution in threat research, with Chloé Messdaghi and Warren Mercer

In today's episode we're delighted to welcome Chloé Messdaghi, an infosec advocate and activist who is working to create a safe space for underrepresented groups within the industry.Chloé is the CEO and founder of We are Hackerz, as well as the cofounder of Hacking is not a crime, Women of Security and The Hacker Book Club, and she is also VP of Strategy at Point3 Security.We chat about the growing issue of burnout and how people can spot the signs within themselves and others.  Chloé also reveals how she comes up with her ideas, and how she is seeking to address certain issues in the cybersecurity industry such as women and underrepresented groups being trolled online. Plus, we discuss the fight for the truth in a growing age of misinformation.Our second guest is Warren Mercer, a threat researcher from Cisco Talos who helped to discover the Olympic Destroyer attack in 2018.  Warren is in the studio with Ben and Hazel to discuss the research he’s being doing on the evolution of Remote Access Trojans, and one of the newest players, Poetrat.  We also discuss his starring role in the new multi part documentary by Tomorrow Unlocked, called 'Who hacked the 2018 Winter games’. That then brings us onto the topic of why  attribution is so difficult in the threat landscape, and what some of the consequences are of misattribution.