Against The Epicureans | On Ends Book II (Episode 175)

Caleb and Michael take on Book II of Cicero's On Ends.  In this books Cicero goes off against the Epicureans.  What do you think? On Ends Book I [https://stoameditation.com/blog/the-epicureans-on-ends-book-i-episode-172/] Aristippus: The Philosopher Who Mastered Pleasure [https://stoameditation.com/blog/aristippus-the-philosopher-who-mastered-pleasure-episode-167/] (02:43) Different Kinds Of Pleasure (16:34) Turning AgainstThe Stoics (18:02) Ranking Pleasures (24:40) Epicurean Rebranding? (30:55) Epicureans Ignore Virtue (34:28) Utilitarianism (38:18) Topsy Turvy Value Systems (46:50) Do Epicureans Lie? (48:17) Is Happiness Up To You (56:08) Michael's Takeaway *** Subscribe to The Stoa Letter for weekly meditations, actions, and links to the best Stoic resources: www.stoaletter.com/subscribe [http://www.stoaletter.com/subscribe] Download the Stoa app (it's a free download): https://stoameditation.com/pod If you try the Stoa app and find it useful, but truly cannot afford it, email us and we'll set you up with a free account. Listen to more episodes and learn more here: https://stoameditation.com/blog/stoa-conversations/ Thanks to Michael Levy for graciously letting us use his music in the conversations: https://ancientlyre.com/