Grant Cameron; Beyond Managing Magic pt.1

**Part 1 of 2** I am joined by renowned UFO researcher & author, Grant Cameron for over 2 hours and 30 minutes to discuss; His new book "Beyond Managing Magic" How the book changed and why Secret keepers in UFOlogy Tom DeLonge's journey Current state of Disclosure Why it isnt 'ET' And much much more Grants website; https://whitehouseufo.blogspot.com/ Grants youtube; https://www.youtube.com/c/whitehouseufo Consider signing up to support the pod for early, ad-free access from as little as the price of a coffee; check out all platforms via ⁠⁠Linktr.ee/ufouapam⁠ Get in touch with the show; Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, YouTube & Instagram: "That UFO Podcast" YouTube: ⁠⁠YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast⁠⁠ Email: ⁠⁠[email protected] All podcast links & associated links; ⁠⁠Linktr.ee/ufouapam⁠ ⁠⁠ThatUFOPodcast.com⁠⁠ ⁠⁠Linktr.ee/TheZignal⁠⁠ Don't forget to subscribe, like and leave a review of the show Enjoy folks, Andy